Funny thing is that many American scholars are much more optimistic about democratic processes in Russia than we are.
Can it be that we tend to idealize democracy, or we think that our parties are not «real» parties, or what?
It is quite understandable that many of us are really upset about the results of the elections, but that was the free choice of the majority and it was done in a democratic way.

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Avatar for ekorovina спустя 1 час (8 декабря 2003)
Екатерина Коровина

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pobedash писал(а):
Funny thing is that many American scholars are much more optimistic about democratic processes in Russia than we are.
Can it be that we tend to idealize democracy, or we think that our parties are not «real» parties, or what?
It is quite understandable that many of us are really upset about the results of the elections, but that was the free choice of the majority and it was done in a democratic way.
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I think that American scholars are very optimistic about the state of democracy in the US as well, although recently I have often heard (in TV programmes) or read in newspapers that Americans are now really afraid to speak negatively about the current policies of the Bush administration. And anyway, even if this time it was a FREE choice of the majority in Russia, there's no guarantee that the same will happen in another four years time. I don't mean we are on the verge of losing whatever democratic principles we have, but the new Duma does make me wonder about the future.

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Дмитрий Победаш

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Well, whether America (meaning the USA) is still a democracy or it has become a totalitarian state can be a matter for long and heated discussions. Coming back to our own country, should we be so upset if THE GUARANTOR of democracy personally and publicly claimed that the campaign was a real success of democracy. Anyway it would be difficult to disagree with his statement that the results show the real preferences of our people. Of course, it's a shame that there are less than 5 per cent of «us» and there are much more of «them». But nobody could say yet that «they» have destroyed «our» democracy. Could anyone of you give real facts to the stupid me (not just hurt feelings and outbursts of emotions), facts proving that we are actually moving away from democracy towards a more authoritarian state???

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Avatar for elenita спустя 1 день (10 декабря 2003)
elenita

Seems like democracy in our country is shifting into some complicated matter. What's democracy for one person can be something else for another. So...
By the way, the recent expulsion of three members (one of them is Jakov Silin) out of «Edinaya Rossia» for not following the so-called «party line» can remind us of something or someone... don't you think?

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Avatar for amix спустя 20 минут (10 декабря 2003)
amix сотрудник

[quote]Elenita wrote:
By the way, the recent expulsion of three members (one of them is Jakov Silin) out of «Edinaya Rossia» for not following the so-called «party line» can remind us of something or someone... don't you think?
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that's one of the reasons of being unhappy with the results of December 7
this kind of КПСС's rebirth
but there are things that are probably worse - these radicals who gained unexpectedly so many votes

hm, i'm sorry for breaking the discussion, but it's the *10*th (!) page of the topic.
maybe we close it somehow and create another?
otherwise there would be no making head or tail of it.
and - of course, i don't mean closing the forum (International Relations WorkGroup) - only the topic - «Call for participation in a working group».

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Дмитрий Победаш

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United Russia" is not a single party, but a combination of several power groups, it does not have an elaborate program to which all members adhere. Rather it is a way of showing your loyalty to the president. Nevertheless, the situation does not seem all that awful to me yet. So far the show has been acted out according to the rules of liberal democracy. It will stop being liberal when the rights of minorities (and i consider myself to be a part of a political minority) and individuals are violated. We won't be the first totalitarian democracy in the world and we stll have chances of avoiding even that fate.

And as for it being the 10th page, could we trust the admin to represent the will of the majority and do with the pages whatever he wants to? My own preference would be to store the beginnings of forums in some kind of archive, just in case... (for example, i met barrie hebb in toronto and he was happy to be able to see our discussion on our site)

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Avatar for ekorovina спустя 6 часов (11 декабря 2003)
Екатерина Коровина

Just some 30 min ago I watched the TV programme “Stand” hosted by Yevgeniy Yenin, and this time he spoke with Vladimir Gorev, who is the chief editor of some newspaper or maybe magazine called “The Adviser of the President”. The focus was of course on the results of the Duma elections, and Mr Gorev said, among other things, that:

  • now we have finally got rid of people who usually do nothing but talk nonsense;
  • 12 years of stagnation are over, and people like Mr Chubais who is “the greatest thief in Russia” (quote), and “thieves and pillagers like Mr Khodorkovsky” will be deprived of chances to continue their looting;
  • at last “the time has come for state-controlled political development of the country” (quote); we must be united around the strong state;
  • oil and gas property must finally be re-distributed, which, Mr Gorev emphasized, does not mean “otnyat’ + podelit’”; they only “must be used sensibly” (quote);
  • as soon as all of this happens, we will no longer live in “stinking houses”, always afraid of cold/hot water shortages, and we should not allow numerous demagogues to intimidate us by talks about the police state, for we are now for the first time going in the direction of true democracy.

Now, I am far from thinking that Mr Gorev alone can create a police state, but I am convinced that his words do express some kind of general mood. They show that people are tired of democracy, and this is where I see the real danger. Not in the current domination of the United Russia in the Duma, but in these claims that only a state-controlled political situation may give us hope of a brighter future, that the re-distribution of the natural resources property will clean our houses and make all of us happy in no time at all. This is what makes me think that we are becoming less democratic.

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Avatar for elenita спустя 2 минуты (11 декабря 2003)
elenita

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United Russia" is not a single party, but a combination of several power groups, it does not have an elaborate program to which all members adhere. R